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With John Batchelor
John Batchelor, ABC Radio: Alireza
Jafarzadeh is very carefully watching the IAEA. Why is he watching? Because the
IAEA is responsible for solving the puzzle of the secret nuclear weapons
ALIREZA JAFARZADEH: Good Evening, John.
Mohamed ElBaradei yesterday commented upon
his work inspecting
JAFARZADEH: Well, according to the
JOHN BATCHELOR: Now thereís, ElBaradei said that within 24 hours. Please explain to me then how it is that you and others like you have put up information over the last six months that points to satellite pictures showing the nuclear weapons activity on the ground and that the sites youíve pointed to have not been inspected by ElBaradeiís inspectors. How does that work?
ALIREZA JAFARZADEH: Well here is the situation. Within the past six months there have been a number of new revelations by the same source that actually revealed the previous information which is the main Iranian opposition, the National Council of Resistance of Iran.
National Council of Resistance of
JAFARZADEH: Exactly. This is the
organization which is obviously the main Iranian opposition, by using their
JOHN BATCHELOR: Thatís the one you provided to global security.org
ALIREZA JAFARZADEH: Exactly, the organization was able to give the exact detail information of where it is located and then globalsecurity.org was able to get the satellite images of this site, itís an extensive facility, a military facility and the National Council of Resistance said that at this site, laser enrichment is going on. Now to the best of my knowledge, as we speak, up until today the IAEA has not even requested to inspect the site in Lavizan.
Now, Alireza I want to stop you because,
weíll continue, this is information thatís very important to understand,
everybody to understand, why are we talking all the
JAFARZADEH: They havenít been there and I
am surprised with the statement that says that uranium enrichment has now
stopped whereas they havenít actually gone to this place where the main source
of information has actually said as lately as November that
There was another site known as Parchin that again the Iranian opposition has said the laser enrichment is going on there and the IAEA has not been able to go inside the building and take samples there and then this year in early February, the same NCRI, the National Council of Resistance, put out new information saying that Iran is actually developing neutron initiators which is like triggers for a nuclear bomb. Itís one of the three main components of a bomb you need to have the fissile material, and then you need the delivery system and you need to have the triggers to actually make the bomb explode. There is a program going on that the opposition says that Iran is doing experiments with polonium 210 and beryllium and these two substances when they are used in conjunction with one another, they can produce triggers and this has not been addressed, this has not been investigated. They even said where this experiment is going on and that site has not been inspected and has not even been even requested for inspection. So I would not give a clean bill of health to the Iranian regimeís nuclear weapons program.
JOHN BATCHELOR: But thatís what ElBaradei did. But thatís what his statement does. It gives the opening for negotiations between those that say you have a nuclear weapons program and those that say Iím not sure that they do. He gives a blessing to it and yet he can not demonstrate that he has followed through on information he has or do we think that he is ignorant of this.
JAFARZADEH: Well I think there are two
things, first of all the IAEA reports, there have been six or seven of them
since 2003, even the reports themselves have lots of details in it, show lots
of contradictions, lots of violations of
BATCHELOR: In other words, if we sent them
to look for a stolen chocolate cake they would come back and say they found
flour, thatís what theyíd say, they would not say that they found a stolen
chocolate cake, they would say that they have evidence of flour was here.
Thatís the IAEA. Thatís a game. I am speaking with Alireza Jafarzadeh who is
the president of Strategic Policy Consulting but I depend on him for
interpreting the gap between ElBaradei diplomatic game and the facts
established on the ground. I want again go thru this Alireza. I just want to do
this one more detail because what exists cannot be argued about. Lavizan II and
Parchin, two sites, go to golobalsecurity.org look at Lavizan II. Right now the
information, Alirezaís Information is that ElBaradei is commenting without
having inspected that site and much of the progress that the IAEA has made over
the last two years comes directly from the same source of information that put
that up on globalsecurity.org.
This is John Batchelor, ABC Radio.